Comentários sobre: Dear wine packagers http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/ Tradutor do GNOME para o português do Brasil Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:29:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Por: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3309 Victor Bogado da Silva Lins Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:06:37 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3309 What about the "Liberation fonts" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts). Those have the same metric as the MS ones and could be configured to show up as the originals. Maybe this would be a good solution. What about the “Liberation fonts” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts). Those have the same metric as the MS ones and could be configured to show up as the originals. Maybe this would be a good solution.

]]> Por: Nicolas Mailhot http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3307 Nicolas Mailhot Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:36:26 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3307 They won't ever be in Fedora either https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal_considerations_for_fonts While your suggestion seems simple and easy, in the real world wine needs to lean to use FLOSS fonts instead of corefonts (preferably through dynamic fontconfig resolution, not why hardcoded name translation tables) They won’t ever be in Fedora either

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal_considerations_for_fonts

While your suggestion seems simple and easy, in the real world wine needs to lean to use FLOSS fonts instead of corefonts (preferably through dynamic fontconfig resolution, not why hardcoded name translation tables)

]]> Por: Hussam Al-Tayeb http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3301 Hussam Al-Tayeb Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:34:35 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3301 People run to Linux to get rid of the "windows/warez" thing. Now you want distributions to illegally package Microsoft software? There is no controversy over the legality of these fonts. It's clear. Illegal IS illegal. Get that into your heads people. If you need windows fonts, leave Linux and go use Windows please. Last thing we need is Linux users/developers illegally using Microsoft software. People run to Linux to get rid of the “windows/warez” thing. Now you want distributions to illegally package Microsoft software?
There is no controversy over the legality of these fonts. It’s clear. Illegal IS illegal. Get that into your heads people.
If you need windows fonts, leave Linux and go use Windows please. Last thing we need is Linux users/developers illegally using Microsoft software.

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]]> Por: hron84 http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3298 hron84 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:53:28 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3298 'Suggest' is not a best way, because IIRC synaptic doesn't tells anything about suggested packages, only recommended. So, because it doesn't appears, 'Suggested' is acceptable (from user side) ONLY if wine package displays a message somehow, what warns user to install corefonts package to avoid apps crash. ‘Suggest’ is not a best way, because IIRC synaptic doesn’t tells anything about suggested packages, only recommended. So, because it doesn’t appears, ‘Suggested’ is acceptable (from user side) ONLY if wine package displays a message somehow, what warns user to install corefonts package to avoid apps crash.

]]> Por: Jef Spaleta http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3297 Jef Spaleta Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:59:50 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3297 Actually.. no..according to Debian policy..this can't even be a "Recommended" link to wine. It would at best be a "Suggested" http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ 2.2.1 The main archive area must not require a package outside of main for compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare a "Depends", "Recommends", or "Build-Depends" relationship on a non-main package), I would imagine Ubuntu has a similar policy with regard to multiverse. Does "Suggest" level linkage meet your requirements in terms of exposure to users to prevent them running into this issue? -jef Actually.. no..according to Debian policy..this can’t even be a “Recommended” link to wine. It would at best be a “Suggested”

http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
2.2.1 The main archive area
must not require a package outside of main for compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare a “Depends”, “Recommends”, or “Build-Depends” relationship on a non-main package),

I would imagine Ubuntu has a similar policy with regard to multiverse.

Does “Suggest” level linkage meet your requirements in terms of exposure to users to prevent them running into this issue?

-jef

]]> Por: Leonardo Fontenelle http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3296 Leonardo Fontenelle Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:41:18 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3296 <b>Jef</b>, I know there's a controversy about the legal status of these fonts, but I trust packagers to know that better than me. I understand that, if it's OK to redistribute the fonts, or to redistribute a downloader, then there's no problem in considering them a dependency (even if only <em>recommended</em>, in the Debian terminology). The Liberation fonts are a good option, but can only be used as a fallback if the application tries to do so. Today, if a user installs the Liberation fonts, that won't stop Adobe Photoshop CS2, Safari 4 or Dicionário Eletrônico Houaiss da Língua Portuguesa from crashing or misbehaving. I <a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18830" rel="nofollow">asked Wine developers to create a workaround</a> if the application needs MS core fonts and the user didn't install them, but in the mean time the old MS fonts are necessary. Jef, I know there’s a controversy about the legal status of these fonts, but I trust packagers to know that better than me. I understand that, if it’s OK to redistribute the fonts, or to redistribute a downloader, then there’s no problem in considering them a dependency (even if only recommended, in the Debian terminology).

The Liberation fonts are a good option, but can only be used as a fallback if the application tries to do so. Today, if a user installs the Liberation fonts, that won’t stop Adobe Photoshop CS2, Safari 4 or Dicionário Eletrônico Houaiss da Língua Portuguesa from crashing or misbehaving. I asked Wine developers to create a workaround if the application needs MS core fonts and the user didn’t install them, but in the mean time the old MS fonts are necessary.

]]> Por: Jef Spaleta http://leonardof.org/2009/06/26/dear-wine-packagers/#comment-3295 Jef Spaleta Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:40 +0000 http://leonardof.org/?p=573#comment-3295 Isn't this a bit simplistic? Which distributions actively distribute these fonts? Isn't distribution of these fonts legally questionable? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/84453/+viewstatus Legally linux distributions can't repackage these fonts they can only be redistributed in the original form. There's also a problematic no commercial use clause. To get around this, you have to play games like downloading the originals at software package install time when an end-user requests it. These sort of games make this an impossible hard requirement for other packages like wine to rely on. That's exactly why these fonts live in Ubuntu multiverse and Debian contrib. Are the liberation fonts not a reasonable replacement for Wine's needs? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/any/ttf-mscorefonts-installer "NOTE: the package ttf-liberation contains free variants of the Times, Arial and Courier fonts. It's better to use those instead unless you specifically need one of the other fonts from this package." -jef Isn’t this a bit simplistic? Which distributions actively distribute these fonts? Isn’t distribution of these fonts legally questionable?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/84453/+viewstatus

Legally linux distributions can’t repackage these fonts they can only be redistributed in the original form. There’s also a problematic no commercial use clause. To get around this, you have to play games like downloading the originals at software package install time when an end-user requests it. These sort of games make this an impossible hard requirement for other packages like wine to rely on. That’s exactly why these fonts live in Ubuntu multiverse and Debian contrib.

Are the liberation fonts not a reasonable replacement for Wine’s needs?
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/any/ttf-mscorefonts-installer

“NOTE: the package ttf-liberation contains free variants of the Times, Arial and Courier fonts. It’s better to use those instead unless you specifically need one of the other fonts from this package.”

-jef

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